SRILA PRABHUPADA IS I.S.K.CON.'S DIKSA GURU
FOR 10,000 YEARS
Dear Prabhu's please accept my humble obeisance's.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
In the following article i shall present various quotes from Srila Prabhupada which prove he is the only diksa [initiating] guru for the International Society for Krishna Consciousness [I.S.K.CON.] for it's duration of ten thousand years.
This movement, as I have now began with my disciples....
It will increase. That is also stated, that for ten thousand
years Krsna consciousness movement will increase.
Rather, this movement, as I have now began with my disciples, European, American boys, they're... They are not very satisfied, the present politicians. They are not very satisfied. They don't want. Everywhere this, more or less the same mentality, but it is our duty on behalf of Krsna to push on this movement. So we are doing, and we are getting response. It is not without response. It will increase. That is also stated, that for ten thousand years Krsna consciousness movement will increase. Yes.
Syamasundara: Ten thousand years.
Prabhupada: Within ten thousand years, if they become Krsna conscious, then life is successful. After ten thousand years, the gloomy picture of Kali-yuga will come. Still there is time. Ten thousand years is not small period. So we have passed five thousand years. So still ten thousand. We have got to the fifteen thousand years. Kali-yuga's duration of life is four hundred thousand, four hundred and twenty-seven thousand.
[S.P. Room Conversation, July 22, 1973, London]
This movement will go for ten thousand
years without any impediment.
Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada, when I first came to this, to your movement, the first thing I was told is that Lord Caitanya's movement in this age will, like a moon, rise for ten thousand years. I was told that number, ten thousand years. Is that true?
Ramesvara: And then after that, they will...
Prabhupada: This movement will go for ten thousand years without any impediment.
Ramesvara: So that means increasing, because it's the nature of the spiritual energy.
Prabhupada: It increases; you should take this opportunity. You work sincerely; it will increase, it will increase.
Ramesvara: Ten thousand years, there is a good opportunity to...
Prabhupada: Many fallen souls will be delivered back to home, back to Godhead.
[S.P. Morning Walk, June 5, 1976, Los Angeles]
It will never stop. At least for
ten thousand years it will go on.
But you cannot expect that cent percent people will come; that is not possible. But even, even one-fourth percent people come to this, then it will be successful. Compared to the American population, what percentage we have got? Still they have made some impression, the Hare Krsna movement. Literatures are selling, they are appreciating, learned circle. Takes some time, but if we stick to our principles and do not make any compromise and push on--in this way, I have given you instruction, it will never stop; it will go on. It will never stop. At least for ten thousand years it will go on.
[S.P. Conversation in Airport and Car June 21, 1976, Toronto]
Note: From these quotes we can clearly understand that I.S.K.CON. will go on for ten thousand years without any impediment.
In the following quotes Srila Prabhupada appears to warn his disciples that this depends on them not changing his books and thus contaminating the pure knowledge.
As soon as you change it,
then the potency of the movement is lost.
Prabhupada: History, it is not a new movement. You have seen this book. You read that book thoroughly. You will get full knowledge. This movement is very, very old and standard. It is never changed. As soon as you change it, then the potency of the movement is lost.
Faill: Sorry, what was that?
Prabhupada: Potency. Just like electricity. There is standard
regulation: "This is negative; this is positive. You must act like this. You must fix like..." You cannot do whimsically: "No, why not this way? Why not that way?" Then it is lost. Then there will be no electricity. Similarly, there is standard method how to understand this philosophy, how to get it, I mean to say, what is called, authoritatively. Then it will act.
(S.P.Room Conversation with Bill Faill (reporter)October 8, 1975, Durban)
If you go on as you are doing now,
then it will go on. But if you stop...
Ganesa: Srila Prabhupada, if the knowledge was handed down by the saintly kings, evam parampara-praptam, how is it that the knowledge was lost?
Prabhupada: When it was not handed down. Simply understood by speculation. Or if it is not handed down as it is. They might have made some changes.Or they did not hand it down. Suppose I handed it down to you, but if you do not do that, then it is lost. Now the Krsna consciousness movement is going on in my presence. Now after my deparature, if you do not do this, then it is lost. If you go on as you are doing now, then it will go on. But if you stop... (end)
( S.P.Room Conversation with Carol Cameron May 9, 1975, Perth)
Yes, provided we keep it uncontaminated.
Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada, you said yesterday, or a few days ago, that this movement will go on unimpeded for ten thousand years, so...
Prabhupada: Yes, provided we keep it uncontaminated. You should take this opportunity.
Ramesvara: So after ten years we have gotten so many devotees and so many houses, so I can't imagine how big this movement will be after ten thousand years.
Prabhupada: Yes. You'll get the government.
[S.P. Morning Walk, June 11, 1976, Los Angeles]
Note: In the following quotes we will clearly see that Srila Prabhupada's mission of delivering all the fallen souls through his transcendental books will in fact not be checked, because Lord Caitanya will not allow it!
Thus we can see Prabhupada's warning to his disciples not to change his books was for their protection, not for the protection of the mission. If they go on printing and distributing the original books thus keeping Srila Prabhupada available as the Diksa Guru then their lives will be glorified for this service. If they try to kill Guru and become guru by changing his books, then their advancement will be checked or as Prabhupada would say "Again become mouse"
The brainwash books are already there.
Even if they stop externally, internally it will go on.
They are now feeling the weight of this movement. Formerly they thought these people come and go, but now they see we are staying. Now we have set fire. It will go on, it cannot be stopped. You can bring big, big fire brigades but the fire will act. The brainwash books are already there. Even if they stop externally, internally it will go on. Our first class campaign is book distribution. Go house to house. The real fighting is now. Krsna will give you all protection. So, chant Hare Krsna and fight.
(S.P. Letter to: Tamala Krsna, Vrindaban 30 October, 1976)
Books will always remain
You have taken the right view of the importance of my books. Books will always remain. That was the view of my Guru Maharaja, and I also have taken it. Therefore I started my movement with my books. And we shall be able to maintain everything with the sales of the books. The temples will be maintained by the book sales, and if there are no more temples, then the books shall remain.
(S.P.Letter to: Hamsaduta:New Delhi 8 November, 1973)
No, there is nothing that can stop the Sankirtana
Movement because it is the will of God
Himself, Lord Caitanya
You have asked about whether nuclear devastation on this planet would effect the Sankirtana Movement. No, there is nothing that can stop the Sankirtana Movement because it is the will of God Himself, Lord Caitanya, that His Holy Name be heard in every town and village.
[S.P.L to Makhanlal, Mayapur, 22nd June, 1973]
But one who is pure devotee,
his business cannot be stopped.
It cannot be checked. There may be so many hindrances. But one who is pure devotee, his business cannot be stopped.
(S.B. Lecture 1.2.6. Calcutta. Feb 26th, 1974)
Anyone who is ordered by the Lord to perform some action in this material world, especially preaching His glories, cannot be counteracted by anyone
Similarly, anyone who is ordered by the Lord to perform some action in this material world, especially preaching His glories, cannot be counteracted by anyone; the will of the Lord is executed under all circumstances.
The Krishna consciousness movement, in continuity of that same motion, is now spreading all over the world, and in this way it will gradually spread all over the universe.
Similarly, since the sankirtana movement was first set in motion five hundred years ago by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's desire that it spread all over the universe, the Krishna consciousness movement, in continuity of that same motion, is now spreading all over the world, and in this way it will gradually spread all over the universe. With the spread of the Krishna consciousness movement, everyone will merge in an ocean of love of Krishna.(C.C. Adi 13.32)
Note: In this last quote we get to see the true extent of how far Srila Prabhupada's I.S.K.CON. will spread!
Therefore i have established that Srila Prabhupada's mission, which is based on his original books WILL LAST TEN THOUSAND YEARS AND SPREAD ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE -- HIS BOOKS WILL BE THE UNIVERSAL LAW BOOKS FOR 10,000 YEARS!!!
If any doubts are entering your minds just remember the opening slokas of Srimad Bhagavatam.
ALL GLORIES TO THE BEAUTIFUL BHAGAVATAM that has emanated from the lotus lips of Srila Prabhupada and has thus become even more tasteful, although it's nectarean juice was already relishable for all, including liberated souls.
Srila Vrndavana dasa Thakura has sung that the devotees of Lord Caitanya are so powerful that each
one of them can deliver a universe.
The Ganges water is celebrated as being able to eradicate all kinds of sinful reactions. In other words, when a person takes his bath in the Ganges, he becomes freed from all life's contaminations. The Ganges water is celebrated in this way because it emanates from the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Similarly, those who are directly in touch with the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and who are absorbed in the chanting of His glories are freed from all material contamination. Such unalloyed devotees are able to show mercy to the common conditioned soul. Srila Vrndavana dasa Thakura has sung that the devotees of Lord Caitanya are so powerful that each one of them can deliver a universe. In other words, it is the business of devotees to preach the glories of the Lord and deliver all conditioned souls to the platform of suddha-sattva, pure goodness.
[Srimad Bhagavatam 4.24.58]
Anyone who attempts to serve Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu sincerely by following in His footsteps and following
the instructions of the acaryas will successfully
be able to preach the holy names of the Hare
Krsna maha-mantra all over the universe.
TRANSLATION: Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates of the Panca-tattva distributed the holy name of the Lord to invoke love of Godhead throughout the universe, and thus the entire universe was thankful.
PURPORT: Here it is said that Lord Caitanya made the entire universe thankful to Him for propagating the sankirtana movement with His associates. Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu has already sanctified the entire universe by His presence five hundred years ago, and therefore anyone who attempts to serve Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu sincerely by following in His footsteps and following the instructions of the acaryas will successfully be able to preach the holy names of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra all over the universe.
[C.C. Adi-lila 7.163]
Note: The above quotes prove without doubt that Srila Prabhupada will successfully be able to preach the holy names of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra all over the universe for 10,000 years through his transcendental books.
SRILA PRABHUPADA WILL DELIVER THE WHOLE UNIVERSE
BECAUSE HE IS THE JAGAT GURU.
YES, I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER
OF THIS INSTITUTION,
AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED
TO BE MY DISCIPLES.
"They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are initiated by me spiritually."
Interviewer: Now I just want to read one section here. I think you'll be able to... "The International Society for Krishna Consciousness began when Swami Bhaktivedanta arrived from India with $2 on his person, a metal suitcase full of ancient-looking books and a cotton cloth robe, colored yellow, as a sign of the renounced order of life. In India, men of his order are completely dedicated to propagating the spiritual life of a mendicant wanderer. He had wandered across the sea upon the order issued to him by his guru who told him he should prepare to go to America to teach the principles taught in the Bhagavad-gita and to translate the sixty volumes of the Srimad-Bhagavatam into English." Now, are you a guru?
Prabhupada: Yes, I am the spiritual master of this institution, and all the members of the society, they're supposed to be my disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are initiated by me spiritually. So therefore the spiritual master is called guru. That is Sanskrit language.
(S.P. Radio Interview March 12, 1968, San Francisco)
Note: All the members of ISKCON [10,000 year transcendental preaching mission] they're supposed to be Srila Prabhupada's disciples. They follow his rules and regulations given in his lawbooks (mainly 16 rounds 4 regs.) and are thus initiated by him spiritually. To facilitate his disciples receiving spiritual names he established a ritvik system.
IF THERE IS ACTUALLY ASSOCIATION OF SPIRITUALLY SELF REALIZED PERSON, HE WILL GIVE YOU SOME PROCESS OF SPIRITUAL ACTIVITIES. THAT IS CALLED BHAJANA-KRIYA
And if there is actually association of spiritually self-realized person, then he will give you some process of spiritual activities. That is called bhajana-kriya. Adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sangah atha bhajana-kriya tato anartha-nivrttih syat. And as you are more and more engaged in spiritual activities, so, proportionately, your material activities and affection for material activities will diminish. Counteraction. When you engage in the spiritual activities, your material activities diminishes.
(B.G. Lecture, 2.58-59, New York, 7th April, 1966)
Note: How Srila Prabhupada's association can be had is described as follows:
So we should associate by the vibration, and not by the physical presence. That is real association. Sabdad anavrtti. By sound. Just like we are touching Krsna immediately by sound. Sound vibration. So we should give more stress on the sound vibration, either of Krsna or of the spiritual master. Then we'll feel happy and no separation.
(S.P. Lecture, 18/8/68,Montreal.)
Note: So we should associate with Srila Prabhupada's by his vibration that is real association. His books are also his vibration, this is confirmed as follows:
Regarding Sankirtana and book distribution, book distribution is also chanting. Anyone who reads the books that is also chanting and hearing. Why distinguish between chanting and book distribution? These books I have recorded and chanted, and they are transcribed. It is spoken kirtanas. So book distribution is also chanting. These are not ordinary books. It is recorded chanting. Anyone who reads, he is hearing. Book distribution must not be neglected.
(S.P.L. to Rupanuga dasa, 19th October, 1974)Note: Anyone who reads Srila Prabhupada's books is associating with Srila Prabhupada, this fact is accepted by everyone. So Srila Prabhupada says "And if there is actually association of spiritually self-realized person, then he will give you some process of spiritual activities. That is called bhajana-kriya."
This is confirmed again by the following quote:
"And if you associate with sadhu, then bhajana-kriya."
And if you associate with sadhu, then bhajana-kriya. If we... Just like so many thousands of Europeans, Americans, they have joined us on account of sadhu-sanga. First of all they come in the temple and hear for some days. Then all of a sudden he becomes shaven-headed. We haven't to request. He takes a bead and bead bag, although he's not initiated. Then, after some days, he approaches, "Please get me initiated." The bhajana-kriya. This is called bhajana-kriya. So we initiate. "Yes, now you are interested, we initiate." We give him hari-nama: "Chant Hare Krsna mantra." This is the first initiation. "And chant sixteen rounds and observe these rules and regulations." Then, when I see, six months or one year, he's doing very nicely, then we accept him as my disciple, the second initiation. So this is bhajana-kriya. Then he's admitted to worship the Deity or cook for the Deity, so many things. Bhajana-kriya.
(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lecture 1.2.18 Calcutta, September 26, 1974)
Note: So Srila Prabhupada is giving the process of spiritual activities (Bhajana-Kriya, Initation) in his original books, WHO CAN REFUTE THIS FACT ???
* Therefore Srila Prabhupada is the Initating Spiritual Master (Diksa Guru) for everyone in ISKCON.
Srila Prabhupada lives forever from his original books, we only need to preserve and utilise them. We can utilise them by reading and living them and also by distributing them to everyone on the planet so they can do the same.
Reporter: Who will succeed you when you die?
Srila Prabhupada: I will never die!
Devotee’s: Jaya! Haribol!
Srila Prabhupada: I will live forever from my books and you will utilise.
(S.P.interview, Berkley, 1975)
"My rules and regulations"
Please make sure that these new devotees (as well as the old ones) follow all of my rules and regulations strictly. They must chant 16 rounds, rise early, attend class, etc. Without these things, there is no spiritual life at all.
(S.P. Letter to: Bhrsakapi Bombay 16 January, 1975)
Note: So when a devotee takes formal initiation he makes a vow to follow the 4 regulations and chant 16 rounds a day. These are Srila Prabhupada's rules and regulations, therefore anyone who vows to follow them is actually accepting Srila Prabhupada as initiating spiritual master (diksa guru).
THIS IS CLEAR, WHO CAN REFUTE IT ???
"You have to select a spiritual master not
by seeing but by your ear, but by hearing"
My Guru Maharaja, my spiritual master, used to say that you have to select a spiritual master not by seeing but by your ear, but by hearing. And you don't select a spiritual master who has got a very good hair or beard or some very beautiful feature, "Oh, he is a very good, nice looking." No. You must hear. Tad viddhi pranipatena. Sruti. The whole process is sruti. The Vedas are called sruti. The ear has to aural reception.
(B.G. 4.24.34 Lecture, N.Y. 2nd August, 1966)Note: So any sincere soul who is hearing from Srila Prabhupada in the form of his books is selecting him as spiritual master. They are not attracted to so called living gurus with warm bodies, they are attracted to the ETERNAL GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA. They have heard from him and are now following the real Vedic process of accepting a bona-fide spiritual master, not the methods of the sahajiya's and mayavadi's.
By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you
and by this process your spiritual life will develop.
In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you and by this process your spiritual life will develop.
(SPL to Bahuru-pa dasa, 22nd November, 1974)
Note: The first point to note in this letter, is that there is no need for a "living link" to understand Srila Prabhupada’s books. If there is anything we do not understand that thing will be understood by reading again and again. Srila Prabhupada describes our daily reading of His books, as a process of revealing or awakening transcendental knowledge. This process is described in the sastra as diksa.
"Diksa is the process by which one can awaken
his transcendental knowledge and vanquish
all reactions caused by sinful activity."
Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksa.
(C.C. Mad., 15-108)
Diksa actualy means initiating a disciple with transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed from all material contamination.(C.C. Mad., 4-111)
Note: Again this is clear confirmation that Srila Prabhupada is the Inititing Spiritual Master (diksa guru) and is more elaborately explained in the article
One argument raised by people like Madhudvisa dasa from Krishna Org. and Puranjana dasa from P.A.D.A. is that Srila Prabhupada may order one of us to be diksa guru when we are qualified.
Madhudvisa dasa: For an honest reader of Srila Prabhupada's books it is impossible to come to any other conclusion than Srila Prabhupada desired his disciples to become qualified spiritual masters and accept disciples....However the ritviks DO NOT say Srila Prabhupada's disciples can not become gurus at all. How could they say that? They simply say Srila Prabhupada established a ritvik initiation system for ISKCON and if Srila Prabhupada's disciples want to accept their own disciples they should do it in their own preaching organization outside ISKCON.
Note: In regards to Madhudvisa's claim that he may accept disciples outside of ISKCON in his own preaching organization, he should note the following:
TRANSLATION: Sri Uddhava said: You may take lessons from the great learned sage Maitreya, who is nearby and who is worshipable for reception of transcendental knowledge. He was directly instructed by the Personality of Godhead while He was about to quit this mortal world.
PURPORT: Although one may be well versed in the transcendental science, one should be careful about the offense of maryada-vyatikrama, or impertinently surpassing a greater personality. According to scriptural injunction one should be very careful of transgressing the law of maryada-vyatikrama because by so doing one loses his duration of life, his opulence, fame and piety and the blessings of all the world. To be well versed in the transcendental science necessitates awareness of the techniques of spiritual science. Uddhava, being well aware of all these technicalities of transcendental science, advised Vidura to approach Maitreya Rsi to receive transcendental knowledge. Vidura wanted to accept Uddhava as his spiritual master, but Uddhava did not accept the post because Vidura was as old as Uddhava's father and therefore Uddhava could not accept him as his disciple, especially when Maitreya was present nearby. The rule is that in the presence of a higher personality one should not be very eager to impart instructions, even if one is competent and well versed. So Uddhava decided to send an elderly person like Vidura to Maitreya, another elderly person, but he was well versed also because he was directly instructed by the Lord while He was about to quit this mortal world. Since both Uddhava and Maitreya were directly instructed by the Lord, both had the authority to become the spiritual master of Vidura or anyone else, but Maitreya, being elderly, had the first claim to becoming the spiritual master, especially for Vidura, who was much older than Uddhava. One should not be eager to become a spiritual master cheaply for the sake of profit and fame, but should become a spiritual master only for the service of the Lord. The Lord never tolerates the impertinence of maryada-vyatikrama. One should never pass over the honor due to an elderly spiritual master in the interests of one's own personal gain and fame. Impertinence on the part of the pseudo spiritual master is very risky to progressive spiritual realization.
Note: So if Madhudvisa was a pure devotee he would not impertinently surpass a greater personality like Srila Prabhupada who would be present nearby, everywhere in the universe initiating everyone in the form of his original books.
If Madhudvisa was actually pure in heart, Krishna would order him to bring all souls to Srila Prabhupada so they could accept him as Guru.
In regards to the various quotes in which Srila Prabhupada says his disciples should become guru, the following article from the first printing  of ALL OF US SHOULD HEAR PRABHUPADA clears this up.
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru"
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
(SPL to Madhudvisa Swami, 4th August, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada says the devotees in the G.B.C. should all become the instructor gurus. The words should reveal that at that time nobody was actually on this platform. Srila Prabhupada says "you must actually come to this platform. This I want."
There are two kinds of instructing spiritual masters. One is the liberated person fully absorbed in meditation in devotional service, and the other is he who invokes the disciple's spiritual consciousness by means of relevant instructions.
(CC Adi, 1.47 )
Here Srila Prabhupada describes the two kinds of instructor gurus. The second describes a person who gives instructions based on the revealed scriptures. The first describes the siksa guru Srila Prabhupada wants us all to become. On this platform we will be fully qualified to preach the glories of the Lord.
So this society is attempting to create a society of devotees all over the world, without any discrimination of caste, creed, colour. One must be a devotee of Krsna. Yei krsna tattva vettha sei guru haya. One must know the science of Krsna. Then he can preach to others. Sei guru haya. That is our purpose.
(N.O.D. Lec. 26th October, 1972)
Srila Prabhupada says that his society is trying to create devotees who are qualified to know the science of Krsna. Then they can preach to others.
This is complete liberated stage. In the previous verse it has been spoken, bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam mukta-sangasya jayate. The science of God, bhagavat-tattva, the science of Absolute Truth, becomes manifest to the liberated soul. We find sometimes that one man is posing to have very much advanced in spiritual understanding or a great devotee, but mukta-sanga, he's not mukta-sanga,
(S.B. Lecture, Vrndavana, 1st November, 1972.)
Again confirmation of the qualifications of the siksa guru we all have to become. Therefore even when many devotee’s have reached such an advanced platform of devotional service, [in future lifes] the position will remain.
"I AM THE INITIATOR GURU, AND YOU SHOULD BE THE INSTRUCTOR GURU BY TEACHING AND DOING WHAT I’M DOING."