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VOLUME 17

"I can bear any heavy thing except a person who is a liar."

 

 

 
VOLUME 17 CONTENTS
 
 
1. "LAWYER MEANS LIAR"
 
2. "I can bear any heavy thing except a person who is a liar."
 
3. AddRID-WhoreOhno (Adri)
"Just the right man for the post of 'leader of Isgone Reform Movement', is it not?..."
 
4. Sanat's letter to Gurukulies. (June 28,1993) continued...
 
5. SO WHAT'S YOUR SASTRIC CASE THAT I MAKE MYSELF LOOK LIKE A MADMAN ?
 
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1. "LAWYER MEANS LIAR"
 
Ramesvara: I heard that you once said, "Lawyer means liar."
Prabhupada: Yes. (laughs)
 
(S.P. Room Conversation January 21, 1977, Bhubaneswar)
 
Dear Mr. turdley and co. as well as isgone and the gaudhi mutt, Mother earth is feeling very much overburdened by your blasphemous lies. (see article below)
 
GODDESS KALI WILL SOON LIGHTEN HER HEAVY LOAD !!!
 
 
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2. "I can bear any heavy thing except a person who is a liar."
 
 
Dear Mr PUD (puranjana),

Oh best of the blasphemous rogues, and misleader of those on the hellish path of Kali-cela worship,
please accept my steel-tipped boots on your obnoxious snake-face...
In regards to the lies you are propagating about Sanat prabhu and his good wife, please read the following:
 
 
Everyone should be afraid of the sinful reactions to lying, for mother earth cannot even bear the weight of a sinful liar. 
 
(S.B. 8.20.summary)
 
 
TRANSLATION: There is nothing more sinful than untruthfulness. Because of this, mother earth once said, "I can bear any heavy thing except a person who is a liar."
 
                          
PURPORT: On the surface of the earth there are many great mountains and oceans that are very heavy, and mother earth has no difficulty carrying them. But she feels very much overburdened when she carries even one person who is a liar. It is said that in Kali-yuga lying is a common affair: mayaiva vyavaharike (Bhag. 12.2.3). Even in the most common dealings, people are accustomed to speaking so many lies. No one is free from the sinful reactions of speaking lies. Under the circumstances, one can just imagine how this has overburdened the earth, and indeed the entire universe.
 
(S.B. 8.20.4)
 
 
Your stomper, Mukunda dasa.
 
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3. AddRID-WhoreOhno (Adri)
"Just the right man for the post of 'leader of Isgone Reform Movement', is it not?..."
 
Devotee: SOMEONE GAVE HIM POISON HERE.

Kaviraja: HINDI LONG EXPLANATION  [about Prabhupada'a poisoning]

TKagey: PRABHUPADA WAS THINKIG THAT SOMEONE HAD POISONED HIM

AddRID-WhoreOhno:  YES.

Tkagey: THAT WAS THE MENTAL DISTRESS

AddRid: YES.

Tkagey: SRILA PRABHUPADA,SASTRIJI SAYS THAT THERE MUST BE SOME TRUTH TO
IT IF YOU SAY THAT. SO WHO IS IT THAT HAS POISONED?...

[22 years later]

AddRidWhoreOhNo: PRABHUPADA WASN"T SAYING IT WAS TO "HIM" THAT WE GAVE
POISON,BUT TO THE UNBORN ABSOLUTE WITHIN HIM,therefore there was no
crime,and there was never any 'real' talk by SP about poison...


SP: IN A CONSPIRACY TO MURDER ALL PARTICIPANTS ARE EQUALLY CULPABLE.
 
"IF A MAN IS KILLED BY CONSPIRACY THE WHOLE SET OF CONSPIRATORS ARE
PUNISHED BY THE LAW."

(FROM BTG, MARCH,1956 article by Srila Prabhupada titled
"Decoration of  the Dead Body")


therefore, i say that IRM's real problem is not as much that they pretend
Prabhupada's words have no literal direct and self-evident meaning, but
that THE HEAD OF IRM IS HIMSELF A GUILTY CO CONSPIRATOR IN THE TORTURED
DEMISE OF GURU MAHARAJA,SRILA PRABHUPADA, the members' [of IRM] denial
of Prabhupada's poisoning is simply an outgrowth of the root problem
which is that AdRIDharana was a key supporter and YES-Man to tamaltt in
the latter's  ISGONESiddhanta KILL GURU BECOME RURU KILL THE
DISCIPLES-Pgm. AdRID himself was being directly told by Srila
Prabhupada--both internal [HEART] and 'externally' [through CLEAR
speech]  to rescue HDG from Tkageys & Co.'s dastardly plan,and AdRID
considered the [HIS own] future,and saw unlimited benefits for imself by
adhearing strictly to Tamalt's PrabhupadaVani-murdering -Vani,is it not?

Just the right man for the post of 'leader of Isgone Reform Movement,is
it not?...

your serpent, sanat


ps. As far as gaining realizations properly from cow seva,we can offer
our daughter as prime example.

Gloria [Radha-Damodara] could NOT grasp Prabhupada's [and ur own]
message very steadily or deeply until AFTER we began our DIRECT
cow-worship program. This is a VERY SIGNIFICANT point esp. in her [our]
case,which can only be understood properly in context of what we've been
through and what she's been thru--with demonic relatives tricking her
into eating meat,openly basphemeing SP,taking us to court,attacking our
religion,attempting to forcibly take ur children from us,deprogram
them,keep us away from them,etc.,etc.

Anyway,we are simply shocked at how Gloria-RD- has changed in her
consciousness since December of 1999!
 
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4. Sanat's letter to Gurukulies. (June 28,1993) continued...
 
"...they're ALL like demigods and are almost without sin!"

Though she [my friend's mom] was cynically incredulous,i always felt in
my heart that the true hope for the future of Srila Prabhupada's Society
was in the Gurukula childrens' purity;and how they appeared to have been
more optimal recipients,ie. willing,malleable ibibers of SP's mercy from
their incipiency,and of Prabhupada's DIVINE GRACE from their
inchoation....

When i would hear a group of young Krishna children (ages 5-11),back n
the 702 chanting Brahma Samhita at a festival,side-by-side with the
older Radha-Damodara mens bhajanas,i derived much more pleasure in
hearing the childrens' heartfelt outpourings.

Indeed,i think it's safe to say that such innocent displays of
unpolluted and unmotivated song and speech coming from 'Prabhupada's
children' gave me faith to persevere in my intentional vows of giving my
otherwise profligate life in dedication to the Supreme. I would often
remember--and almost as often quote to a Godbrother--that you kids gave
proof to the Biblical quote of Lord Jesus Christ that  "AND THE CHILDREN
SHALL LEAD THEM"

By 1983 i began to hear horrible rumours and stories of molestations and
sexual abuses to the gurukula children. This greatly pained me and i
figured that perhaps these were exaggerated rumours. Over the course of
a few more years,however,repeated stories led me to believe that it was
inevitably happening 'in God's Mvement'. I just wanted to curse anyone
who who was allowing these horrible things to go on.

I was getting on with my life,and i had all but stopped  cotemplating
the atrocities spoken of previously regarding ISKCON,when i received a
report from India that my friend Muktipada had 'blooped' from
Vrindavana,India [where he'd been working under Dhanoodiarreah shammy]
where he had been serving as assistant Gurukula teacher. The report we
got was that Muktipada had become very despondent over 'something',had
flown back to his parents' house in the states and had killed himself by
hanging in his mother's bathroom.

This got me so angry that i started cursing all the bogus swamis
&'gurus' in ISKCON! (i think my curse was highly effective because...)
Anyway,after my buddy Muktipada's meaningless demise,i gradually woke up
to the fact that there was something very much amiss in the way that
ISKCON WAS BEING 'managed'...

So it's quite obvious to me and to some friends of mine that 1) you all
Gurukulies have been cheated out of quite a lot of significant aspects
of your otherwise bright and beautiful lives, and 2) that your greatly
fortunate generation IS THE REAL HOPE FOR THE (FUTURE) PROPER MANAGEMENT
OF SRILA PRABHUPADAS LEGACY; NOT THE CURRENT UBIQUITOUSLY MISGUIDED AND
SELF SERVING BLIND-LEADING-THE-BIND HYPOCRITES.

Yes,indeed,ISKCON is PRACTICALLY YOURS FOR THE TAKING! Srila Prabhuada's
Legacy is,simply put,yours for the asking and taking! AND IT's ONLY TIME
(AND HONEST WORK) SEPARATING YOU DEVOTEES FROM YOUR RIGHTFUL CLAIM OF
INHERITANCE TO YOUR SPIRITUAL FATHERS PROPERTY.
It's all based on awareness and desire,and just as soon as your people
determine what they want and what the priorities are in achieving those
ends,Krsna and Srila Prabhupada will show you the way...

It's actually a simple puzzle that can be quickly demystified by keen
intelligents (GOOD assoc.),proper conduct and requisite HUMILITY; but
being convinced of SP's desire is of paramount importance--and THAT is
specifically why i'm taking the time to share what little God-given
wisdom i've received by attempting to please Srila Prabhupada n my
bug-like way. Armed with proper support and blessings,you Gurukulies can
quite plausibly--in the next10-15 years--rebuild SP's society to the
stature it had prior to HDG leaving the planet...
 

You all aren't bluffers like the cheater/hypocrite/DULL current
leadership contingent is. No,you are doers. You just haven't had the
legitimate chance or encouragement to show what you CAN DO. And that's
too bad,but i's also a good lesson in 'enforced failure' to build upon.
Even more notable is the prfound and TRANSPARENT feature and factual
aspect of how the current MISmanagement has proven to the world
-CONSISTENTLY SO- that not only do they NOT STRICTLY FOLLOW THE
SPIRITUAL RULES AND REGULATIONS OF SPIRITUAL LIFE,BUT AS YOU"RE WELL
INFORMED,"THEY" AVE ENGAGED IN THE MOST DEGRADED D ABJECT DEVIANT
BEHAVIOR THROUGHOUT THE YEARS,and practically across the board.
So,that's certainly a significant item to consider when these hypocrites
try to browbeat you into submission or dissuade you from taking them to
task and forcing them to 'take a back seat' in your activity of giving
them their come-uppants...

And why should you prabhus do a little proverbial BUTT-KICCKIN' in
regards the confoundead bogus pseudo-leadership of SP's ISKCON?
Because,it is the only merciful thing to do. Just consider for a moment
what Srila Prabhupada  told us about crime and punishment. Remember what
He said about the king and the murderer,and how the only actual merciful
thing to do is to put the murderer to death so that he will get purified
of the reaction and not have to suffer more in his next life for the
crime? Right. Same applies to persons who have been masquerading as
spiritual leaders of society. They are by definition killers of the
soul. Remember what Sri Isopanisad says about killers of the soul-
"whoever he may be must go to the planets of the faithless full of
darkness and ignorce.",and etc.? So,t's undoubtedly the duty of those
who have actual SPIRITUAL VISION to mete out the requisite and
essentially correct chastisement to the misleaders of society. [and
really,who can conceive of worse misleaders,or imposter
spiritualists,than people who rape and torture their own God-given
children;and not only pretend thereafter that they-the offenders-were
after all "DOING THEIR BEST", but who add insult to injury by amply
rewarding those who engaged in such acts--and even continue to allow
such to reside intheir places of 'worship'.?

If these offenders are not cut down,then their offenses-and concommitant
reactions-only increase, and only give SP's movement a worse black eye.
Which means that fewer and fewer SANE persons will want to associate
themselves with Lord Gauranga's Movement. (The same way that the
Sahajiya sects for hundreds f years after Lord Nityananda--until the
time of Bhaktivinode Thakura--engendered ill-repute towards Vaisnavism
in the minds and hearts of the general populace...

And,again,in terms of the wayward offender individuals,if they go
unpunished they will suffer far greater reaction as a result,which is
actually,by Vedic consideration, a gross disservice to both the
individual as well as to society Take for example the extreme case of
Jayatirtha Prabhu. He rendered [supposedly] nice service to Srila
Prabhupada up until 1977. But upon SP's Departure,this devotee got first
caught up in tamal&Co's GaudiaMatha-GuruConsultation-Scam. ince that
first criminal error went unchecked,this unfortunate devotee continued
to slide into more and worse deviancy,which ultimately culminated in his
grotesque 'disappearance dy lila'-REACTION...

Or take another graphic example,that of Kirtananda Swami,SP's first
Sannyassi disciple. After putting himself on an equal platform with
Srila Prabhupada--even while engaging in repeated sexual liassons with
young children--he then,because those heinous offenses went
unpunished,went on to mre and more criminal activities which ended up
bringing PERMANENT ILL REPUTE to SP's Society.

Just like the book Monkeyon a Stick proves. Any ordinary 'karmi' who
reads this account generally  concludes that the HKM isn't so savory--to
say the least! And KS is one of the chief culprits in the story. Not
only that,but because that man's various nefarious dealings were never
fully rectified and because he--AND his peers in ISKCON--continue to
promulgate the myth that they are pure links in the Parampara,this
creates a worse--and MORE punshable (and EMBARASSING)--offense of
blaspheming the ABSOLUTE and UNCONTAMINATED Brahma-Madhva Gaudia
Vaisnava PrabhupadaBhaktivedanta Sampradaya....Even on pril 19,1993,just
after the Waco/David Koresh debacle,KS was YET AGAIN featured in a
national magazine as an unapologetic chid-molesting,murder-conspirig
CULT LEADER who,according to People Mag, "Is the kind of cult leader
that gives cults a bad name." And the picture printed showed the 'Swami'
being massaged by several children on a seat next to--and on the same
level as--Srila Prabhupada (!!!)...

How about the case of 'Srila Bhagavan'? Look how his crimes went
unmitigated and unchecked for so long and,as result,he is probably
suffering on a worse scale now than he might have had his deviant
behavior been properly reigned in early on. Or even now,we can site the
example of the 'Iskcon Foundation'
[Hey! ISKCON FOUNDATON is really THIS: Purity is the Force,Preaching the
Essence,Books the Basis,Utility the Principle!...] The IF premise is 180
degrees away from Srila Prabhupada's idea [and ideology]. It's a great
offense at HDG's lotus feet. Again,by being allowed to engage in
criminal activities and conspiracies wholesale without being
punished,this group has practically set in motion a system to completely
dismantle the House that SP built for the whole world to live in. That
is a fact. (Get a hold of my indepth assay on IF to get the full story
on this hell-bent and exceedingly unauthorized Anti-Prabhupada group.)

Anyhow,the proper thing foragroup of good souls like you to do is to
first EMPOWER YOURSELVES with SP's mercy--ie. proper association--and
then to bestow that mercy,in Parampara,on the heads of those who have
willfuly cheated against Srila Prabhupada's Mission-in the POTENT
THUNDERBOLT form of commensurate chastisement on the heads of said
deviants as much as is possible under current national and international
laws...
Yes,take control of your destinies-and SP's Movement-by bringing these
unreformed bluffers to justice. Then they won't have to reap worse
reactions in this and their next lives for their crimes going unanswered
and unpurified in this life...

So,it's hightime you Prabhus empower yourselves (like Sri Arjuna) with
the double-edged sword of knowledge and detachment (in Bhakti--yoga
assoc.) and show the world who are the REAL LOVERS of Srila Prabhupada
Maharja's Mission and Vani. You must know now from so much
experience-and evidence-just like Arjuna was shown by Sri Krishna-what
needs to be done. Take it slowly and determinedly one KC step-and day- at
a time; and SP will quickly and amply reward your efforts more than you
can imagine. Like Arjuna,SP has universal vision,and knows full well
what has occured since He 'left' the planet,what is happening now,and
what is required  to help RE-REVOLUTIONIZE His transcendental
Movement...
 
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5. SO WHAT'S YOUR SASTRIC CASE THAT I MAKE MYSELF LOOK LIKE A MADMAN ?
 
 
Dear Dhanesvara prabhu, PAMHO, All glories to Srila Prabhupada
 
I will remove you from our e-mail list prabhu, but please answer the following :
 
Prabhupada: No, we are speaking about Krsna. So if I say that Krsna says like this and it is a fact, then what is our fault? But they are taking very serious, just like especially nowadays in Western country they are opposing that "This philosophy is a brainwash." So this is our position. Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat ma bruyat satyam apriyam.(?) The world situation is that you can speak truth if it is palatable. And if it is unpalatable, don't speak. But this thing cannot be maintained when you are preaching spiritual life. There we cannot cheat. Spiritual life must be declared very frankly.
 
(S.P. Room Conversation with C.I.D. Chief January 3, 1977, Bombay)
 
 
So if we say that Srila Prabhupada say's those who are and making severe offenses to a pure devotee are envious demons and will have their heads cut off  (see below) WHAT IS OUR FAULT ???
Those who disagree then they should present their case with sastric quotes and we can debate otherwise they are simply talking nonsense and making the offense of minimising Srila Prabhupada's words.
 
 
Intolerant of the offenses committed, the infuriated goddess Kali flashed her eyes and displayed her fierce, curved teeth. Her reddish eyes glowed, and she displayed her fearsome features. She assumed a frightening body, as if she were prepared to destroy the entire creation. Leaping violently from the altar, she immediately decapitated all the rogues and thieves .....................
 
(S.B. 5.9.18)
 
 
When an envious person commits an offense before a great personality, he is always punished in the way mentioned above.  
 
(S.B. 5.9.19)
 

SO WHAT'S YOUR SASTRIC CASE THAT I MAKE MYSELF LOOK LIKE A MADMAN ?

You make yourself look like you have no faith in Prabhupada's words !

I have sent my last e-mail to you GODDESS KALI - "atomic bombs etc are also Her creations"

Hopefully this will help you see that sastra is not mad neither are those who present it !

If i look mad (in your estimation) then we have something in common, as you looked mad after your reverse speech study was released. I thougth it was excellent, and didn't care for the opinion of the raksasas. Do you follow what i'm saying prabhuji.
 
Your servant Mukunda dasa.
 
P.S. If you did a reverse speech study of the following:
 
Prabhupada: Factually, these rascals are creating magic jugglery. Even during the time of Krsna such rascals were there. Paundraka. So Krsna was present, He immediately cut off his head. (laughs) They should be immediately cut off their head, rascals. Yes. That is the only punishment for them.
 
(S.P. Room Conversation June 15, 1976, Detroit)
 
Perhaps that would give you more faith in Prabhupada's words "immediately cut off their head, rascals. Yes."
 
I'm sure the reverse would be "FALSE GURU'S and LIAR LAWYERS HEADS PLEASE CHOP"
 
Let me know if you need the tape, i can mail you a copy.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dhanesvara <dhanesvara@excite.com>
To: Mukunda dasa. PSS Oldham. <prabhupada@connect4free.net>
Date: 25 August 2000 00:13
Subject: Re: 3. ONE SHOULD NOT REPEAT


>Dear Mukunda Prabhu,
>
>Please do not send me anything else even remotely like this. I have thought
>you to be a dedicated follower of Srila Prabhupada until this. Now you make
>yourself look like a madman. Please, for your own sake, do not send anymore
>emails to anyone such as this.
>
>Your servant,
>Dhanesvara das