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Bhagavat das sent a letter to Naveen Krishna prabhu, Nara Narayana Visvakarma [NNV] prabhus comments appear in bold

Bhagavat das: because when I read it without Nanda das's commentary I actually thought that Srila Prabhupada was giving him that instruction. However after Nanda das's commentary I re-read it and it appears that when he says that you should instruct THEM what He (Srila Prabhupada) means is to instruct His (Srila Prabhupadas) own godbrothers in the matter of how He (Srila Prabhupada) never meant to offend any of his godbrothers He (Srila Prabhupada) only tried to protect his preaching mission. [Srila Prabhupada]says to Narayan Maharaj "I wish that my god-brothers forgive my offences...While preaching, many times we do say things contrary to each other, or we cut each other's philosophical arguments. That happens. Please ask my god-brothers to forgive my offences."

NNV DAS: PRESUMABLY THIS QUOTE IS TAKEN FROM THE SO-CALLED "APPOINTMENT" TAPE POSTED ON VNN A FEW YEARS AGO. NARAYAN MAHARAJA RUSHES FROM IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING PUJA BECAUSE SP HAS CALLED FOR HIM. IN NM'S MIND, HE IS THINKING,"DEATHBED REQUEST?....FOR ME?....LET ME GET THERE BEFORE ANYONE ELSE DOES!

SO WHEN NM DOES GET THERE, SP SIMPLY WANTS TO GATHER HIS GODBROTHERS AND APOLOGIZE FOR "OFFENSES" "COMMITTED" TO THEM IN PREACHING OVER THE YEARS. NM IS HORRIFIED, AND SHOWS HIS EXASPERATION BY CRYING OUT,...."BUT YOU HAVE COMMITTED NO OFFENSES" ETC! WE MUST REMEMBER THAT AT THAT TIME TAMAL HAS BEEN CULTIVATING NARAYAN MAHARAJA, WITH AN EYE TO HAVING NM DECLARED GURU AFTER SP UNTIMELY DEPARTURE. THE PURPOSE? SO THAT TAMAL CAN THEN BECOME #2 TO NM, AND THEN GRADUALLY WORK HIMSELF UP TO #1. REMEMBER, TAMAL IS ALWAYS PRESENT AT THESE MEETINGS.

SO, NM IS RELUCTANT TO CALL FOR SP'S GODBROTHERS!.....WHAT IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF "WIERD" JOINT SUCCESSION IN MIND? NM KEEPS TRYING TO TURN THE CONVERSATION BACK TO WHY SP "REALLY" CALLED FOR HIM TO COME. HE CANNOT GRASP THAT SP IS SINCERE IN WANTING HIS GODBROTHERS TO COME, AND DRAGS HIS FEET FOR A LONG TIME. FINALLY HE CALLS FOR ONE OR TWO OF THEM, WHILE TRYING TO GET SP "BACK ON TOPIC"....IE, SUCCESSION. REMEMBER, TAMAL HAS FOUR YEARS EARLIER DECLARED WITH SHAYAMASUNDHARA DAS THAT "SRILA PRABHUPADA IS SENILE"...SO IT IS NOT UNLIKELY THAT HE HAS SHARED THAT OPINION WITH A NUMBER OF CONFIDANTS AROUND THE "DEATH BED" AND PROBABLY NM AS WELL. SO NM IS TRYING TO GET SRILA PRABHUPADA'S "WANDERING MIND" BACK TO THE "REAL" SUBJECT, AND TOLERATES THIS LITTLE "SIDE TRIP" WITH THE "UNNEEDED APOLOGY" TO THE GODBROTHERS. (STUDY THE CONVERSATION IN THIS LIGHT, AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN)

Do you and Mahesh truly believe that Srila Prabhupada was being insincere here when he spoke these words? I mean you could look at it that way. After all when Narayan Maharaj says: "These are insignificant matters in such a substantial worldwide mission. A little something here and there is
of no consequence. You have done this wonderful preaching work for the benefit of the whole world. There was no self-interest. You did everything only in devotional service to Krsna - for benefiting all people at large."

NNV DAS: WHY IS NM TAKING THIS PATRONIZING TONE? EITHER HE THINKS THAT SP'S MIND IS "WANDERING" OR "SENILE" OR HE IS STUPID ENOUGH TO THINK THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA IS NOT A MAHABHAGAVATA! WHY DOES NM EXPLAIN SRILA PRABHUPADA'S PURPOSE TO A FULLY ENLIGHTENED BEING? DOES HNMTHINK THAT SP NEEDS "LESSONS" TO EXPLAIN HIS GLORIOUS MISSION?

Srila Prabhupada responds by saying: "It is all by your blessings." Are we to believe that everything that Srila Prabhupada accomplished was by the blessings of His (Srila Prabhupadas) Shiksha disciple Narayan Maharaj? Of course not Srila Prabhupada did not really mean that he was just flattering Narayan Maharaj.

NOT EXACTLY. THE VAISHNAVA AND HINDU ETIQUETTE INVOLVED IS AS FOLLOWS: IF SOMEONE OFFERS RECOGNITION TO A PURE DEVOTOO EVEN OFFENSIVELY OR BADLY, THAT INTELLIGENCE CAN BE SEEN TO BE COMING FROM SUPERSOUL. IN EFFECT, BY THE ABOVE STATEMENT SP IS SAYING, "YOU ARE RECOGNIZING MY TRANSCENDENTAL WORK...BY THIS STATEMENT I CAN HEAR THAT SUPERSOUL IS SPEAKING THROUGH YOU, SINCE THAT IS THE CASE, I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE MADE YOURSELF (UNLIKE MILLIONS OF OTHERS) AVAILABLE TO SPEAK WHAT SUPERSOUL DIRECTS. SO I ACCEPT YOUR WORDS AS BLESSING COMING FROM SUPERSOUL". IN THAT WAY, SRILA PRABHUPADA GIVES HIS MERCY TO A PERSON WHO MAY WELL BE SPEAKING IN ENVY BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT NO ONE CAN ACCRURATELY PRAISE A PURE DEVOTEE WITHOUT THE INSIGHT AND BLESSING OF SUPERSOUL TO DO SO.

ONCE SRILA PRABHUPADA WENT TO SEE A GENETIC DESCENDANT OF LORD NITYANANDA. THE MAN WAS A DEGENERATE RASCAS, WITH RED MOUTH, SMOKING, AND SPITTING WHILE SITTING ON A HIGH SEAT. SRILA PRABHUPADA OFFERED PROSTRATED OBEISANCES TO HIM. THE MAN GRINNED INSINCERELY, AND SAID,"OH SWAMIJI, I AM NOT WORTHY OF SUCH REVERENCE"......SRILA PRABHUPADA RESPONDED,"YES I KNOW!............I AM OFFERING OBEISANCES TO YOUR LINEAGE!"

WOULD YOU SAY THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS "INSINCERE"?.........WOULD NOT THE ANSWER LIE IN THE LEVEL OF SPIRITUAL AWARENESS HELD BY ANY WITNESS TO THIS ACT OF WORSHIP?.....WAS SP BOWING DOWN TO THE MAN OR TO LORD NITYANANDA'S LINEAGE?......DO YOU SEE THE PARALLEL?

In the same way when Narayan Maharaj tells Srila Prabhupada "All of your duties are completed. You have fulfilled everything in your lifetime. There is no need to worry for anything. Only remember the lotus feet of Sri Radha-Krsna." Is he really being sincere?

NNV DAS: HE IS INSULTING SRILA PRABHUPADA BY THE ABOVE STATEMENT. HE IS IMPLYING THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA, AN UTTAMA ADHIKARI, IS TOO SENILE TO REMEMBER THE LOTUS FEET OF SRI RADHA KRISHNA, AND NEEDS TO BE REMINDED TO DO SO.! WHEN I FIRST READ THAT QUOTE, MY HEART HARDENED AGAINST NARAYAN MAHARAJA AS THIS INSULT REVERBERATES FOR ALL ETERNITY!...IT IS LIKE THE INSULTING SPEECH OF SISUPAL, AND PROVES THAT NARAYAN MAHARAJA IS NOT ONLY FAR FROM SELF-REALIZED, BUT IS AN ENVIOUS SNAKE.

Well obviously not because he is instructing us. Even though I was in the room when Srila Prabhupada said we could ask for advice from Narayan Maharaj and Sridhar Maharaj. But obviously Srlia Prabhupada didn't mean that either because this is what two exalted pure devotees do they flatter each other falsely and speak ill of each other behind their backs.

NNV DAS: THE ABOVE IS NOT GOOD SIDDHANTA. HARI SAURI WAS ONCE GIVEN A TALL GLASS OF ICED TEA BY A DEVOTEE. SRILA PRABHUPADA STATED "WE DO NOT DRINK TEA" HARI SAURI THEN ASKED "WHAT SHOULD I DO WITH THIS TEA" SP RESPONDED," YOU MAY DRINK IT THIS ONCE"....HE DID, BUT SP WAS NOT PLEASED. SP GIVING HARI SAURI A VOLUNTARY OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE TEA ASIDE. HS INTERPRETED THAT AS A "SPECIAL ONE TIME LICENSE" TO BREAK ONE OF THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES. THAT WAS NOT A FIRST CLASS CONCLUSION.

IN THIS CASE, A DISCIPLE HAS GIVEN HIS LIFE TO HEARING THE WORDS OF HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER. SP HAS SAID "EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID IS IN MY BOOKS, YOU WILL READ AND UTILIZE"....SO AN ACTUAL SINCERE DISCIPLE KNOWS THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO HEAR FROM OTHERS. WHEN SP SAYS, YOU CAN ASK FOR ADVICE FROM NM OR SRIDHARA MAHARAJA'S HE IS MAKING THIS SUGGESTION IN THE LIGHT OF HAVING CRITICIZED BOTH OF THEM HEAVILY IN THE PAST. IT IS THE DUTY OF THE DISCIPLE TO KNOW THIS.....AND TO BE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT ANY ADVICE TAKEN FROM SUCH PERSONS WOULD NOT BE OF A SPIRITUAL NATURE BUT OF A PRACTICAL NATURE (SUCH AS HOW TO PREPARE SP'S SAMADHI). WHAT IS THE USE OF SPIRITUAL ADVICE FROM PERSONS THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA CLEARLY DID NOT CONSIDER PARTICULARLY SPIRITUAL?

ALL SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE FOR THE NEXT TEN THOUSAND YEARS IS INCLUDED IN THE LAWBOOKS FOR THE NEXT TEN THOUSAND YEARS. THERE IS NO NEED TO DILUTE SUCH INFORMATION BY GOING TO SOME "MINI ME" MISLEADING "GURU" SUCH AS NM. WHAT CAN HE OFFER THAT IS NOT ALREADY WRITTEN?

IN THE TAPED "APPOINTMENT" CONVERSATION, SRILA PRABHUPADA, (FAR FROM SENILE) IS ACTUALLY PLAYING WITH NARAYAN MAHARAJA, AND EXPOSING NM'S GROSS AND GREEDY MOTIVES TO ANYONE OF INTELLIGENCE WHO MIGHT READ THE TRANSCRIPT OF THAT TAPE. OTHERWISE, WHY DOES HE SAY THINGS LIKE,"WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY, SO MANY TEMPLES, SO MANY VEHICLES?........IT SEEMS THAT HE IS "DANGLING THE KEYS OF THE CADDILLAC" IN FRONT OF NARAYAN MAHARAJA'S NOSE!......."LIKE, LOOK WHAT WE HAVE!......AND HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU WANT TO RELATE TO ME AND MY DISCIPLES AFTER MY DISAPPEARANCE?"

NARAYAN MAHARAJA FALLS RIGHT INTO THE TRAP!.......HE SAYS, " THEY CAN COME TO ME FOR ADVICE"......SRILA PRABHUPADA SAYS NOTHING....JUST DEAD SILENCE.

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SO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?

NM HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, "YOUR GBC IS OUT OF CONROL...I WILL WORK TO MAKE THEM OBEY YOUR LOTUS FEET, YOUR BOOKS ARE WONDERFUL...EXCELLENT!...BUT NO ONE IS READING THEM, I WILL ARRANGE FOR YOUR PURPORTS TO CARRY ON YOUR PREACHING MISSION, THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONAL PROBLEMS, BUT I WILL SEE THEM RECTIFIED.....ALL AND ALL, YOU CAN COUNT ON ME AS RAM COUNTED ON BHARAT TO BE YOUR FAITHFULL "SIKSA DISCIPLE" AND WORK TO PUT YOUR MOVEMENT IN ORDER AND IN YOUR NAME, SO THAT YOUR WORK WILL BE THE MOST GLORIOUS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD". WHEN THEY "COME TO ME" I WILL SEND THEM TO YOU!....I WILL STUDY YOUR BOOKS AND MAKE SURE THAT ANY WORD I UTTER TO THEM, IS NON-DIFFERNT IN TONE, MOOD AND CONCLUSION TO THAT WHICH YOU HAVE EXPRESSED SO TRANSPARENTLY AND PURELY IN YOUR DIVINE PURPORTS! MAY MY TONGUE BE CUT OUT BEFORE I UTTER ONE WORD OR DRAW ONE CONCLUSION DIFFERENT THAN THOSE DRAWN BY YOU!

SUCH A STATEMENT WOULD HAVE MADE NARAYAN MAHARAJA AN ACTUAL SERVANT OF SRILA PRABHUPADA. INSTEAD HE SAID" THE CAN COME TO MY, AND I WILL ANSWER THEIR QUESITONS ON SPIRITUAL MATTERS."........THE STATEMENT OF A COMPETITOR TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!

IN THIS ONE ENVIOUS STATEMENT, NM DECLARES SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS TO BE OBSOLETE, AND THAT THE WORDS COMING FROM HIS OWN INFERIOR MOUTH CAN REPLACE THEM!

Or maybe that’s what we the fallen condition souls do and project on others. The only real vaishnava aparadha is trying understand the mind of the pure devotees when we are not qualified to do so.

NNV DAS: THIS IS FAR FROM TRUE....IN THE NOI, RUPA GOSWAMI STATES THAT BEFORE TAKING INITIATION, THAT ONE MUST BE ABLE TO FULLY UNDERSTAND AND IDENTIFY THE DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE UTTAMA, MADHYAM AND KANISTHA ADHIKARI, AND TO KNOW HIS OWN POSITION. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ONE SHOULD KNOW NOT TO PRETEND TO BE ON A PLATFORM OTHER THAN THE ONE ONE IS ON.

THERE IS NO RESTRICTION WHATSOEVER IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE MIND OF THE PURE DEVOTEE.....SINCE SUCH UNDERSTANDING LEADS TO OUR OWN SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT, SUCH INQUIRY IS FULLY ENCOURAGED BY SHASTRA, SADHU, AND GURU.

What I know is that since I have listened with a humble heart to the transcendental sound vibration of a pure devotee I have increased my devotion to Srila Prabhupada many times over, and my material desires have been greatly diminished. If this is bad if you truly believe that Srila Prabhupada does not want me to increase my attachment for him and reduce my material desires then I will gladly renounce my association with Narayan Maharaj.

NNV DAS: THERE IS NOTHING INCOMPLETE IN THE INSTRUCTIONS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA THAT CALL FOR GOING ELSEWHERE, PARTICULARLY TO PERSONS OUTSIDE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S MOVEMENT. SIMPLY PUT, NARAYAN MAHARAJA DOES NOT PREACH FAVORABLY CONCERNING SRILA PRABHUPADA, BUT INSTEAD BEGINS WITH PRAISE AND ENDS WITH SCORN. THIS IS IN EVERY LECTURE. AND CAN BE DOCUMENTED HUNDREDS OF TIMES!

IN ADDITION, NM DRAWS MUCH DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA, AND FLAUNTS SUCH DIFFERENCES AS SIGNS THAT SP DID NOT TEACH THE FULL PHILOSOPHY. HE ALSO SAYS THAT SP IS A "WORSHIPPER OF VISHNU ONLY", THAT "KALKI WILL NOT APPEAR" "THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA HAD NO RIGHT TO PUT HIS NAME ON HIS BOOKS" THAT "SEPARATION IS NOT THE HIGHEST TRANSCENDENTAL MOOD", (THUS "DISSING" LORD CHAITANYA) THAT "SANKIRTAN IS ONLY FOR NEOPHYTES" THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA ONLY TAUGHT "ABC" AND THAT HE, NARAYAN MAHARAJA WOULD TEACH THE OTHER "23 LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET".

THE LIST OF MAHA-APARADH GOES ON.....AND IS DISTASTEFUL TO RENDER INTO TYPE. ONE CAN HARDLY DESCRIBE SUCH HIGHLY OFFENSIVE STATEMENTS AS THE"TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND VIBRATION OF A PURE DEVOTEE".

ASSUMING THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA DID NOT "LIE" WHEN HE SAID THAT HIS BOOKS WERE A COMPLETE SOURCE OF SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE, THEN GOING FOR INTERPRETATION TO A PERSON ENVIOUS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA IS NOT AT ALL INDICATED FOR ACTUAL SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT.

If you truly believe that some of my old godbrothers who have had beautiful dreams of Srila Prabhupada where he has told them that He is happy to see them hearing from Narayan Maharaj and making advancement are illusions or the false flattering of His Divine Grace then I shall gladly renounce my association with Narayan Maharaj.

NNV DAS: THE WRITER SHOULD DO SO IMMEDIATELY!

Two weeks before Narayan Maharaj came Srila Prabhupada came to me in dream and chastised me severely. "You are already supposed to be a realized man by now, what is the matter?" Then Srila Prabhupada turned his back on me and walked out of my house. Initially I was devastated, but then I gradually remembered that Srila Prabhupada only chastised those whom he loved most dearly in order to improve them.

NNV DAS: YOU COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO REALIZE THAT EVERYTHING IS IN SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS. MY CHILDREN NEVER MET SRILA PRABHUPADA, BUT THEY READ HIS BOOKS DAY AND NIGHT AND ARE CONSIDERED MORE ADVANCED THAT MOST OF THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN INITIATION EITHER IN ISKCON OR OUTSIDE OF ISKCON. THEY ARE FEARLESS PREACHERS, POWERFUL SANKIRTAN CHANTERS, AND HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO SERVING THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER SRILA PRABHUPADA.....ALL THIS SIMPLY BY READING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS, CHANTING ONLY THE MELODIES THAT HE BROUGHT TO US, AND HEARING FROM HIS LECTURES THROUGH MP3 FORMAT.

MY FIVE CHILDREN ALONE PROVE THAT EVEN THE ILLUSION OF A REMOTE "NEED" FOR SUCH A PERSON AS NM TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY WITHOUT VALUE.

Usually a short while after the chastisement comes the blessing. The day I went to see Narayan Maharaj and he began to chastise me the way Srila Prabhupada had telling me that I should be hearing and chanting more taking time out from my so called busy schedule to hear Hari Katha I could understand this was the blessing. That is when I began to hear submissively and I felt a genuine change of heart.

NNV DAS: SO, YOU SEE NARAYAN MAHARAJA'S GIVING YOU THE SAME INSTRUCTION AS SP TO BE SUPERIOR? WHY NOT SIMPLY FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL INSTRUCTION FROM YOUR ACTUAL SPIRITUAL MASTER TO WHOM YOU OWE YOUR EVERYTHING?

When I see my old friend Daruka who has not followed sincerely in years and has even questioned the fundamental concepts of Krishna Consciousness have an immeadiate change of heart upon hearing Narayan Maharaj lecture and he shaved his head started chanting 16 rounds, put on a dhoti and became more humble then I have seen him ever and ultimately took initiation. When I hear Daruka now Dhannanjaya call me every day and tell me about the new things he is learning when he reads Srila Prabhupadas books.

NNV DAS: THAT IS ALWAYS THE EXCUSE. YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA. THAT IS ENOUGH. NOW YOU ARE FOLLOWING THSOE INSTRUCTIONS, BUT CREDIT NARAYAN MAHARAJA!......WOULD YOU HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THOSE SAME INSTRUCTIONS HAD ISKCON REMAINED PURE AND NOT CONTAMINATED BY FALSE LEADERS INITIATING FOOLISHLY?.....AND WHY DID NARAYAN MAHARAJA OFFER TO "REPLACE" SRILA PRABHUPADA RATHER THAN COMPLETELY RESTORE HIS MOVEMENT ISKCON?....IF HE IS AN ACTUAL PURE DEVOTEE, HE COULD DO IT, AND THE RESULT WOULD BE GLORIOUS. INSTEAD, NARAYAN MAHARAJA IS FEEDING FROM THE SECOND HAND "BHAVA" TO BE SUCKED OUT OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISIILUSIONED FORMER DISCIPLES, AND WITH THAT "SHAKTI" TO FLOAT HIM HE IS TRAVELING ALL OVER THE WORLD IN A "BASKET" CARRIED BY PERSONS ACTUALLY EMPOWERED BY SRILA PRABHUUPADA!

EVEN IN 1972, HE ORGANIZED A BOYCOTT OF SRILA PRABHUPADA'S FIRST INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL IN MAYAPUR, AND NOT ONLY REFUSED TO SEE SRILA PRABHUPADA, BUT PREVENTED SRIDHAR MAHARAJA AND OVER THIRTY OTHER GAUDIYA MATHA MEN FROM SHOWING UP!...WHEN I CONFRONTED HIM ON THIS MATTER PERSONALLY, HE LIED TO ME AND SAID THAT HE WAS IN MATHURA THAT YEAR!.........HE IS NOT ONLY NOT A PURE DEVOTEE, BUT THE OPPOSITE OF A PURE DEVOTEE!

When I see that kind of transformation I know it is Krishna working through the pure devotee. These are the things that I know and see and understand from my own direct association. If these are bad things then please instruct as to why they are bad and I will gladly renounce my association with Narayan Maharaj.

NNV DAS: I HOPE THAT I HAVE PRESENTED ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONVINCE YOU THAT "ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD"!....NARAYAN MAHARAJA'S MOVEMENT IS BEING CARRIED BY THE "TASTE" PROVIDED FOR HIS EXPLOITATION BY THE FORMER DISCIPLES OF SRILA PRABHUPADA...IN A SIMILAR MANNER TO THE CAMEL ENJOYING THE TASTE OF HIS OWN BLOOD WHILE CHEWING THE TASTELESS THORNS. TAKE AWAY SRILA PRABHUPADA'S FORMER DISCIPLES. TAKE AWAY SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS, AND NARAYAN MAHARAJA REMAINS THE SAME LONELY FAILURE THAT HE WAS DURING THE TIME THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS PREACHING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

DURING THAT TIME, AND IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT NARAYAN MAHARAJA WAS NEVER MORE THAN 20 KM AWAY IN MATURA.....HE NEVER CAME TO SEE SRILA PRABHUPADA ONCE UNTIL SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS ON HIS "DEATH BED" AND HE WAS INVITED BY TAMAL.

But if all you are going to do is quote old instructions that Srila Prabhupada Himself has retracted by latter statements then I am sorry but this will not do. Explain to me how Dhannanjay is in maya for increasing his devotiional service.

NNV DAS: IF A WOMAN IS HAPPIER WITH HER LOVER THAN WITH HER HUSBAND DOES THAT MAKE IT OK? IF SHE SAYS THAT BEING WITH HER LOVER MAKES HER APPRECIATE HER HUSBAND MORE IS THAT GOOD REASONING? SHOULD NOT THE WIFE LEARN TO LOVE HER HUSBAND AND NOT TAKE A LOVER IN THE FIRST PLACE? I HAVE ACTUALLY HEARD THAT EXACT REASONING USED BY UNFAITHFUL WOMEN TO EXPLAIN THEIR INFIDELITY........PERHAPS YOUR OWN WIFE USES THAT LOGIC IN REGARD TO YOU?

Explain how I am in maya for increasing my hearing and chanting.

NNV DAS: YOU ARE IN MAYA WHEN YOU THINK THAT SUCH HEARING AND CHANTING CANNOT BE INCREASED WITHOUT "TAKING A LOVER" WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A "SWAMI".

Explain how all of our Godbrothers dreams are illusions.

NNV DAS: MOST OF OUR GODBROTHERS ARE NOT "ILLUSIONS" AND GET THEIR SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT AND PURE DEVOTIONAL ECSTASY BY ASSOCIATING WITH SRILA PRAHUPADA IN THE MANNER THAN HE PRESCRIBES, "YOU WILL READ AND UTLILIZE"!

Explain this to me and then I will be receptive.

NNV DAS: SRILA PRABHUPADA TOOK UP THE MISSION OF LORD CHAITANYA IN THE MOOD OF LORD CHAITANYA.....IE, TO CREATE A SOCIAL CHANGE IN THE SHAPE OF A WORLD SPIRITUAL REVOLUTION BY CHALLENGING THE ATHEISTS, SCIENTSIST, SMARTA BRAHMINS, THE ABORTIONISTS, THE COW KILLERS AND TO TAKE ON THE YOUTH OF THE WORLD, AND TRANSFORM THEM VIA PANCHARATRIKA VIDHI INTO POWERFUL AND EFFECTIVE PREACHERS WHO COULD BRING ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE WORLD THAT SIGNAL THE ADVENT OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF KALI.

SRILA PRABHUPADA'S MOVEMENT IS NOT FOR BYSTANDERS, NOR FOR SLACKERS. MOST PARTICULARLY, IT IS NOT FOR PERSONS WHO HAVE PERSONAL AGENDAS AND PROFIT MOTIVES FOR POWER AND FAME THAT THINK THEY CAN EXPLOIT THIS SACRED MOVEMENT FOR THEIR OWN ENDS.

BECAUSE ISKCON IS NOW LED BY SPIRITUAL EUNUCHS WHO HAVE BETRAYED SRILA PRABHUPADA, AND SINCE YOUR OWN SPIRITUAL "CAJONES" ARE NOT EXACTLY IN ORDER, YOU (THE SWORN SERVANT OF SRILA PRABHUPADA) "JUMP SHIP" AND RUN FOR THE WOODS INSTEAD OF EXHIBITING THE QUALITIES OF A FAITHFUL SERVANT AND RESCUING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S MOVEMENT FROM THE "EVIL DOERS".

SO YOU RUN AWAY, AND THEN LATER CLAIM THAT THIS IS YOUR SPIRITUAL PERFECTION!.........ONE SHOULD NOT EXPLOIT THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, BUT REMAIN HIS SERVANT ONLY EVEN IF ONE IS NOT GIVEN ALL SORTS OF SATISFACTION AS A RESULT.......THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO PROVE TO KRISHNA THAT YOU ARE A FAITHFUL SERVANT OF HE WHO GAVE YOU DIKSA.

OTHERWISE, YOU BECOME A FLEA........IMAGINING ONE DOG TO BE DEAD, YOU HEADLESSLY JUMP ONTO THE BODY OF ANOTHER DOG AND THEN CLAIM THAT THIS JUMPING IS THE CAUSE OF YOUR GOOD FORTUNE AND SUCCESS!

TRY EXPLAINING THAT IN THE COURT OF YAMARAJA!........IT WILL NOT BE EASY TO DO!

You must judge a thing by the result and accept whatever is favorable to your advancement in Krishna consciousness and reject whatever is unfavorable. The result is that I and many others are all making advancement so it must be favorable.

NNV DAS: A WHORE IS OFTEN HAPPIER WITH HER LOVER THAN WITH HER HUSBAND!.....YOU CAN JUDGE BY THE RESULT!

IT IS NOT YOU, BUT YOUR SPIRITUAL MASTER WHO DETERMINES IF YOU ARE MAKING SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT. IN THE NEOPHYTE STAGE, IT IS VERY EASY TO MIS-IDENTIFY SOCIAL JOLLITY WITH ACTUAL SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT. THE FIRST PRE- QUALIFICATION FOR SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT IS TO REMAIN FAITHFUL TO THE BONAFIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND NOT WANDER HERE AND THERE. WHEN HE SAYS, "EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID IS IN MY BOOKS, YOU WILL READ AND UTILIZE, THEN YO REALIZE THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO GO OUTSIDE OF THAT INSTRUCTION. THAT WILL LEAD TO ADVANCEMENT, WHETHER IT INVOLVES A "FEEL GOOD" SOCIAL MOOD AS WELL OR NOT.

ONE MAY BE "EMBRACED" OR "CRUSHED"....WE DO NOT GET TO PICK WHICH IT WILL BE!......ONLY OBEDIENCE WILL PRODUCE THE DESIRED SPIRITUAL RESULT. SPIRITUAL LIFE IS NOT LIKE TAKING COLLEGE CLASSES WHERE YOU CAN CHANGE CLASSROOMS BY SIMPLY PAYING ANOTHER FEE.

I am sorry if anything I said offends you I am only trying to speak from my realization.

NNV DAS: SRILA PRABHUPADA'S "LAWBOOKS" ARE THE SOURCE AND STIMULUS OF THE BEST SORT OF REALIZATION!

Your worthless servant
Bhagavat Das