Dear Prabhu's pamho. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The following two articles Kamsa's Policy and Hence forward it's very clear ! are taken from the original 1993 printing of all ALL OF US SHOULD HEAR PRABHUPADA.
Your servant Mukunda dasa. 

The greatest danger to the propagation and development of the Krsna Consciousness movement, is the adulteration of the pure message presented to us in disciplic succession from Srila Prabhupada’s books. Srila Prabhupada comments on this as follows.

So if you read Bhagavad-gita as it is, that is mad-asrayah. But if you interpret Bhagavad-gita according to your rascal imagination, that is not Bhagavad-gita. Therefore it is called mad-asrayah, "under My protection, as I am tea..." We are therefore presenting Bhagavad-gita as it is. We do not change. Why should you change? What right you have got to change? If Bhagavad-gita is a book of authority and if I make my own interpretation, then where is the authority? Can you change the law book according to your interpretation? Then what is the meaning of that law book? That is not law book. You cannot change. Similarly, if you accept Bhagavad-gita as the book of authority, you cannot change the meaning. That is not allowed. What right? If you have got some opinion, if you have got some philosophy, you can write in your own book. Why you are, I mean to say, killing others and yourself by interpreting Bhagavad-gita? You give your own thesis in a different way. But these people, they take advantage of the popularity of Bhagavad-gita and interpret in a different way according to their own whims. Therefore people do not understand what is Krsna. That is the difficulty. And the purpose of Bhagavad-gita is to understand Krsna. And all the so-called scholars' and politicians' commentary is to banish Krsna or to kill Krsna--the Kamsa's policy. The Kamsa was always thinking of Krsna, how to kill Him. This is called demonic endeavour. So that will not help you.

(B.G. 7.1 Hyderabad, 27th April, 1974)

So Bhagavad-gita, the lessons of Bhagavad-gita, cannot be changed by the whims of rascals. This is not possible.

(S.B. 3.26.32, Bombay, 9th January, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada says that people change Bhagavad-gita to banish Krsna or kill Krsna, and thus minimise His position. He describes this as Kamsa’s policy.

Let us examine the position of the G.B.C. and their changes of Srila Prabhupadas books. They write in the back of the Bhagavad Gita, that by working with Srila Prabhupada’s books for the last fifteen years, they are more familiar with his philosophy and language. With this newly accomplished scholarship they claim to present a more accurate translation to that of the original standard translation, authorised by His Divine Grace. They achieved this by referencing the same sanskrit commentaries that Srila Prabhupada consulted when writing the Bhagavad Gita as it is. They, of course, do not mention that they acquired their scholarship from an apa-sampradaya community in violation of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Let us examine one of these scholarly changes and compare it to the original.



Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.

(B.G. 4.34)



Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.

(B.G. 4.34)


The latter quote is from the original Bhagavad-gita in which Srila Prabhupada uses the word soul, whereas the scholarly version uses the plural souls. If we accept that this change is more true to the original Sanskrit manuscripts, then why did Srila Prabhupada himself never use the plural when quoting the verse in lectures? The following is an example illustrating how Srila Prabhupada would always present the verse.

And what is that submission? "Render service unto him." Try to please him by satisfying him, by service. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah, you singing. If he is pleased, then you know Krsna is pleased. And if he is displeased, then there is no other way. This is the process, submissive. "The self-realized soul can impart knowledge." And because you have to select spiritual master, a self-realized soul... Just like if you want to study particular subject matter, you have to approach a realized person, a perfect person. Then you get. "The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth." One who has not seen the truth, he cannot.

(B.G.  Lec., 4.34-9)

Why didn’t Srila Prabhupada himself instruct his disciples to change this so called mistake? Srila Prabhupada was very alert in making sure the correct translation was presented in his books. Here are a couple of examples.

Nitai: "At the time of death, Ajamila saw three awkward persons, very fearsome in appearance, with ropes in their hands. They had twisted faces and deformed bodily features, and their hair stood on end. They had come to take Ajamila away to the shelter of Yamaraja. Ajamila became extremely bewildered when he saw them. His small child, Narayana, was playing a little distance off, and with tearful eyes and great anxiety, he called the name of his son very loudly three times, "Narayana, Narayana, Narayana!"

Prabhupada: Is there, "three times"?

Nitai: It said in the manuscript. The manuscript said, "three times."

Prabhupada: Who said in the manuscript? There is no three times. Not Narayana three times, one time. "Oh, Narayana," that's all. So did I say, "three times"? No, it is not said here. You should correct it. Once, "Oh, Narayana," that's all. There is no reason of calling three times. There is no mention here. Once is sufficient. (laughter)

(S.B. Lec, 6.1.28, Philadelphia, 13th July, 1975)

Pusta  Krsna:  "My dear Prahlada, may you live a long  time.  One cannot  appreciate or understand Me without pleasing Me, but  one who has seen Me or pleased Me has nothing for which to lament for his own personal self."

Prabhupada: "His own personal satisfaction."

(S.B. Lec, 7.9.53, in Vrndvana, 8th April, 1976)

The last quote is very significant as it appears to be a very minor fault. Nevertheless, Srila Prabhupada was very quick to correct Pusta Krsna by saying satisfaction.

Madhu-dvisa: "Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.

Prabhupada:This is the process of understanding spiritual knowledge. "Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master."

(B.G. 4.34, Los Angeles, 12th January, 1969)

Here we see Srila Prabhupada in the same situation as when with Pusta Krsna. He says nothing about the translation and particularly the word soul. Therefore this change by the G.B.C is the policy of Kamsa. By using the authority of the Bhagavad Gita, they are killing the spiritual lives of thousands of innocent readers by subtly indoctrinating them with their concoted philosophy. The self realized soul “Srila Prabhupada” is now dead. Now we can approach sixty conditioned “souls”. This type of change is made by persons outside the parampara.

But if you misinterpret, if you pollute it by your own interpretation, then you will not see. These rascals, they are simply polluting. Because they are not coming in parampara system, everyone is trying to (sic:) becoming a very learned scholar, very learned leader, but they are rascals. Actually they are rascals because they cannot see.

(B.G. Lec., 16.8, 28th January, 1975)

So rather than continuing the pure disciple succession, such Prabhupada killing policies are destroying the very basis of Vaisnava tradition.

But some way or other, if it is distorted at a certain point, then the knowledge is lost. As soon as any of the disciples in the succession distort the knowledge, then it is lost. That is being explained. Sa kalena mahata. The time is very powerful. It changes. That is the... Time means it changes, kills the original position. You have got experience. You purchase one anything. It is very fresh, new. But time will kill it. It will become shabby. It will be useless at a time, in due course of time. So time is fighting. This material time, it is called kala. Kala means death. Or kala means the black snake. So black snake destroys. As soon as touches anything, it is destroyed. Similarly, kala... This kala is also another form of Krsna. So kalena mahata. Therefore it is called mahata. It is very powerful. It is not ordinary thing. Mahata. Its business is to destroy. Sa kalena iha nasta. So by due course of time... Because how the kala can destroy? As soon as kala sees that you are distorting, then it will be lost. So don't try to understand Bhagavad-gita from persons who are under the influence of kala--past, present, future. Don't try to understand Bhagavad-gita from so-called rascal philosophers, commentators, and... They will write Bhagavad-gita in a distorted way. Somebody will say, "There was no Krsna."

(B.G. Lec., 4.2., Bombay, 22nd March, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada commented on this changing policy on the 22nd of June 1977, calling it whimsical and orders his disciples to reprint the books in the original way.

Yasodanandana: Sometimes they (editors) appeal that ‘We can make better English,’ so they can change like that, just like in the case of the Isopanishads. There are over a hundred changes. So where is the need? Your words are sufficient. The potency is there. When they change, it is something else.

Svarupa-damodara: That’s actually a very dangerous mentality. Yasodanandana: What’s it going to be in five years? It’s going to be a different book.

Prabhupada: It is a very serious situation. You write one letter, ‘Why you have made so many changes?’ And whom to write to? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarupa that, ‘This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim.’ The next printing should be (done) again the original way.

Another dangerous philosophy presented by the G.B.C. is in regards to the pure disciplic succession. They claim it can be contaminated, and that the acaryas, influenced by maya,  may sometimes deviate from the instructions of the Lord.

One is therefore advised to study Bhagavad-gita, or any other scripture, under a bona fide spiritual master, with service and surrender. A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord as they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad-gita have come down to the earthly kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gita as it is expressed in the Gita itself and beware of self-interested people after personal aggrandisement who deviate others from the actual path. (B.G. 4.42)

A bona-fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and is never influenced by maya. He never deviates from the instructions of the Lord, anyone who does was never part of the strict chain of unalloyed acarya’s. Thus the philosophy held by the G.B.C. is against the conclusion of sastra. Thus they must be considered apa sampradaya or “outside the sampradaya.”

In the parampara system, the instructions taken from the bona fide spiritual master must also be based on revealed Vedic scriptures. There are many so-called followers of the Vaisnava cult in the line of Caitanya Mahaprabhu who do not scrupulously follow the conclusions of the sastras, and therefore they are considered to be apa-sampradaya, which means "outside of the sampradaya."

(C.C. Adi 7.48)

The major reason these apa-siddhantic conclusions have poisoned the society, is due to the leaders disobediance of the following order given by His Divine Grace.

 I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 3, 1975 with the enclosed statement about Bon Maharaja. So I have now issued orders that all my disciples should avoid all of my godbrothers. They should not have any dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should they give them any of my books or should they purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them.

(S.P.L. to Visvakarma, 9th November, 1975)

The first point to note is that in this letter to Visvakarma dasa, Srila Prabhupada is informing him that he has now issued orders to all his disciples to avoid all his Godbrothers. This is a very clear instruction, and no instructions to the contrary were given in writing or on tape after this. He specifically instructs us to have no dealings with them, not even correspondance, nor should we give them any of His books, nor purchase theirs,.neither should we visit any of their temples. He ends by strongly pleading with us Please avoid them”. The word avoid is used as it gives special stress to purposefully keeping away (dictionary definition).

We may say this instruction was given at a particular time, during certain circumstances and is no longer valid. What were these circumstances? The circumstances in question were, that Srila Prabhupada’s neophyte Godbrothers, having disobeyed the instructions of Srila Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Thakura, had become useless or more precisely apa-sampradaya.

Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, at the time of his departure, requested all his disciples to form a governing body and conduct missionary activities cooperatively. He did not instruct a particular man to become the next acarya. But just after his passing away, his leading secretaries made plans, without authority, to occupy the post of acarya, and they split in two factions over who the next acarya would be. Consequently, both factions were asara, or useless, because they had no authority, having disobeyed the order of the spiritual master.

(C.C. Adi, 12-8) 

One who is in the line of disciplic succession cannot manufacture his own way of behaviour.

(C.C. Adi 7.48)

Therefore to protect his innocent neophyte disciples and young but growing transcendental society from the contamination of apa-siddhantic philosophy, He ordered us to avoid association with them in any shape or form. Have these circumstances changed? Of course not. Rather pots of poison become more potent with age. This poison has completely infected the whole of Srila Prabhupada’s society to such a degree, that our so called leaders are completely under the control of these offenders. These leaders have now become instruments in the hands of maya and through them this poison is being administered to all the members of the society. Clearly the philosophical deviations remain within the Gaudiya Matha, therefore how can we possibly say Srila Prabhupada’s order to avoid them does not?

The order to avoid them is clear! It applies under the present circumstances, in fact, association with apa-sampradya communities is forbidden under all circumstances.

In order to follow strictly the disciplic succession of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, one should not associate with these apa-sampradaya communities.

(C.C. Adi, 7.48)

We cannot adjust this order according to our particular whim. That is deviation.

Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation. There is no scope for adjusting spiritual advancement to material ideas.

(C.C. Adi 12-9)

Such a deviation from the orders of Srila Prabhupada is an offence at his lotus feet, and the lotus feet of the Holy name. How can anyone claim to be acarya if he has not first become a disciple.

If someone blasphemes a Vaisnava, one should stop him with arguments and higher reason. If one is not expert enough to do this he should give up his life on the spot, and if he cannot do this, he must go away.

(C.C. Adi 7.50)

If there were an acarya amongst us he would have spoken out about all this nonsense and blasphemy to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. Any sincere disciple would at least completely disassociate himself from such offenders. What to speak of the acarya, the representative of the Lord, who’s mission is to establish the principles of religion.


So Krsna, He is within our heart.  Hrdy antah sthah.  Therefore, as soon as we become a little inclined towards Krsna, then from within our heart He gives us favourable instruction so that we can gradually make progress, gradually. Krsna is the first spiritual master, and when we become more interested, then we have to go to a physical spiritual master.

(B.G. Lecture, 1966)

Prabhupada: Therefore God is called caittya-guru, the spiritual master within the heart. And the physical spiritual master is God's mercy. If God sees that you are sincere, He will give you a spiritual master who can give you protection. He will help you from within and without, without in the physical form of spiritual master, and within as the spiritual master within the heart.

(Car. Rome, 23rd May, 1974)

These quotes are used by certain people to substantiate their claim that Srila Prabhupada is no longer accessible as an initiating spiritual master, and that we need to approach a “physically manifest guru”. In the purport  of S.B. 4.8.54 Srila Prabhupada says.

Not only should one chant or murmur the mantra, but in front of him he must have the Deity, or physical form of the Lord. Of course, when the Lord appears it is no longer a physical form. For example, when an iron rod is made red-hot in a fire, it is no longer iron; it is fire. Similarly, when we make a form of the Lord--whether of wood or stone or metal or jewels or paint, or even a form within the mind--it is a bona fide, spiritual, transcendental form of the Lord.

(S.B. 4.8.54)

This is confirmed in a purport from Caitanya Caritamtra.

Thus in different places throughout the universe there are various Deities in temples bestowing Their causeless mercy upon the devotees. All these Deity forms are non-different from the murtis in the spiritual world of the Vaikunthas. Although the arca-murti, the worshipable Deity form of the Lord, appears to be made of material elements, it is as good as the spiritual forms found in the spiritual Vaikunthalokas. The Deity in the temple, however, is visible to the material eyes of the devotee. It is not possible for one in material conditional life to see the spiritual form of the Lord. To bestow causeless mercy upon us, the Lord appears as arca-murti so that we can see Him. It is forbidden to consider the arca-murti to be made of stone or wood. In the Padma Purana it is said:


arcye visnau sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnave jati-buddhir

visnor va vaisnavanam Kali-mala-mathane pada-tirthe'mbu-buddhih

sri-visnor namni mantre sakala-kalusa-he sabde-samanya-buddhir

visnau sarvesvarese tad-itara-sama-dhir yasya va naraki sah


No one should consider the Deity in the temple to be made of stone or wood, nor should one consider the spiritual master an ordinary human being. No one should consider a Vaisnava to belong to a particular caste or creed, and no one should consider caranamrta or Ganges water to be like ordinary water. Nor should anyone consider the Hare Krsna maha-mantra to be a material vibration. All these expansions of Krsna in the material world are simply demonstrations of the Lord's mercy and willingness to give facility to His devotees who are engaged in His devotional service within the material world.

(C.C. Mad, 20 -217)

The Deity, the spiritual master, Ganges water and the holy name etc. are all completely spiritual. They are expansions of Krsna in the material world. They are simply demonstrations of the Lords mercy to fallen souls who cannot approach the spiritual form of the Lord in the conditioned state of material existence. In this way they can be called physical, or more clearly manifest to the physical senses of the conditioned souls.

The merciful Lord left behind Him the great teachings of the Bhagavad-gita so that one can take the instructions of the Lord even when He is not visible to material eyesight. Material senses cannot have any estimation of the Supreme Lord, but by His inconceivable power the Lord can incarnate Himself to the sense perception of the conditioned souls in a suitable manner through the agency of matter, which is also another form of the Lord's manifested energy. Thus the Bhagavad-gita, or any authentic scriptural sound representation of the Lord, is also the incarnation of the Lord. There is no difference between the sound representation of the Lord and the Lord Himself. One can derive the same benefit from the Bhagavad-gita as Arjuna did in the personal presence of the Lord.

(S.B. 1.15.27)

Here we see Srila Prabhupada describing the Bhagavad Gita or any authentic scriptural sound representation of the Lord, as an incarnation of the Lord through the agency of matter, or in other words a “physical” form of the Lord.

The Lord, out of His causeless mercy, touched His conchshell to Dhruva's forehead, and he was transcendentally inspired. This transcendental inspiration is called brahma-maya because when one is thus inspired, the sound he produces exactly corresponds to the sound vibration of the Vedas.

(S.B. 4.9.4)

The sound manifest by Dhurva Maharaja or more relevantly Srila Prabhupada exactly corresponds to the sound vibration of the Vedas. Thus it is an authentic spiritual sound.

So if we examine these quotes which describe the need to approach the physical spiritual master, we can conclude that we have to approach a spiritual master who is manifest to our physical senses, rather than thinking we can receive guidance from the Supersoul only, who is described as Adoksaja or beyond the material mind and senses.

Thus if we approach the transcendental vani of Srila Prabhupada, which is so mercifully manifest to our material senses, we have approached the “physical” spiritual master.

Using these quotes according to our whim, taking them out of context so we can support our deviant conclusions, is offensive! Srila Prabhupada repeatedly stressed we take shelter of a spiritual master’s instructions, not his bodily presence.

Srila Prabhupada never contradicts himself! Contradictions manifest in the minds of persons who distort his teachings for personal interest.

 To answer this argument, it is described here that one has to associate with liberated persons not directly, physically, but by understanding, through philosophy and logic, the problems of life.

(S.B. 3.31.48)

Such association with Krsna and the spiritual master should be association by vibration, not physical presence. That is real association. (Elevation to Krsna Consciousness Ch 4.)

Physical presence is sometimes appreciable and sometimes not, but vani continues to exist eternally. Therefore we must take advantage of the vani, not the physical presence.

(CC Antya Ch5.)


“Hence Forward”  It’s Very Clear!

This document has presented evidence for ritvik in absentia on the basis of pure and simple logic. Srila Prabhupada is very clearly present by his transcendental sound vibration and is still giving all fallen souls initiation into the holy name.

Thus the system he officially introduced on July 9th 1977 was to continue, any other conclusion would be illogical or more clearly madness.

“Temple presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendations, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name.”

(letter to G.B.C. and Temple presidents signed and approved by His Divine Grace). July 9th 1977.]

This is a very clear instruction. Henceforward is defined in the dictionary as meaning from now into the future, indefinitely. Research showed that the word “henceforward” was used 81 times in the complete works of Srila Prabhupada. For example.

The Lord was also asked by Nityananda Prabhu to accept these repenting souls, and the Lord agreed to accept them on one condition, that they henceforward completely give up all their sinful activities and habits of debauchery. both the brothers agreed and promised to give up all their sinful habits, and the kind Lord accepted them and did not again refer to their past misdeeds.

(S.B. Introduction)   

In not one of these 81 occasions was the word used to indicate anything other than something that was unchangeable. Another very significant point is in regards to the person who wrote the letter, Tamal Krsna, he clearly new what the word “henceforward” meant.

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada says, in future, henceforward, these people should not be allowed to hold lectures here. Strictly Caitanya Mahaprabhu's teaching forbids. Mayavadi haya krsne aparadhi. You tellthem, "You're Mayavadi. So this is a Krsna conscious temple.

(S.P.C. Vrndavana, 1st November, 1977)

Everyone recognises that a mayavadi will never be allowed to speak in our temples. Therefore, the word “henceforward” is clearly used to mean final and permanent. If due to the influence of the material energy he made a mistake when writing the letter, wouldn’t Srila Prabhupada have told him to reword the letter, According to the dictionary definition and Srila Prabhupada’s own use of the word, this letter would clearly indicate that these representatives would continue performing initiations on his behalf indefinitely. If this wasn’t what Srila Prabhupada intended to happen, why didn’t he have the letter re-worded and thus present his actual desires more clearly, Srila Prabhupada once told Ramesvara... “Krsna will speak to you directly. You will see him and hear him. Every decision I make, Krsna is telling me to do it directly.” (B.T.G. article).

Another important point is that if Tamal Krsna was well aware of the meaning and implications of the word “henceforward”, why did he not use another word indicating a more temporary arrangement? Unless, he also understood that the ritviks where to continue performing initiations on Srila Prabhupada’s behalf indefinitely.

In the following letter, which he wrote two days after the “henceforward” letter, he clearly reveals that he had in fact understood the permanence of the appointment.

Tamal Krishna: “A letter has been sent to all the temple presidents and GBC which you should be receiving soon describing the process for initiation to be followed in the future. Srila Prabhupada has appointed thus far eleven representatives who will initiate new devotees on his behalf.

(Letter to Kirtananandana Maharaja, 11th July, 1977)

This is confirmed by the following conversation which he had with Yasodanandana dasa as recorded in his diary on the 10th of July 1977.

 YND: “What does all this (officiating letter) mean?”

TKG: “Devotees have been writing to Prabhupada for initiations, and now Prabhupada has named eleven ritviks (priests) who can initiate on his behalf”...

YND: And when Prabhupada departs?”

TKG: “They’ll be ritviks, That’s what Prabhupada said.”

And finally the following conversation took place on the 28th of May1977, just prior to the official announcement on the 9th of July 1977.

Satavarupa swami: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations would be conducted.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you...I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating (guru) acarya.

Tamala Krishna swami: is that called ritvik-acarya (officiating-priest)?

Srila Prabhupada: Ritvik, yes.

Tamala Krishna swami later on summarised his recollection of the above May 28th instructions:

“If it had been anything more than that (a continuation of the ongoing ritvik--or officiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada--priest system), you can bet your bottom dollar that Prabhupada would have spoken for days and hours and weeks--on end--about how to set this thing up with the gurus, but he did not, because he had already said it a million times. He said, ‘My Guru Maharaja did not appoint anyone. It was by qualification.’ We made a great mistake.”

“Actually Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years (1977-1980) because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus.

“You cannot show me anything on tape or in writing where Prabhupada says: ‘I appoint these eleven as gurus.’ It does not exist because he never appointed any gurus. This is a myth.”

(From Topanga Talks, December 3, 1980)

Here we find clear confirmation that the appointment of gurus and their functioning in that capacity between 1977-1980, was in fact a concoction and disobedience of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions for them to continue in their role as ritvik representatives. The following letter confirms Srila Prabhupada’s continued status as the initiator.

The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.

(SPL to Madhudvisa Swami, 4th August, 1975)

He says the devotees in the G.B.C. should all become the instructor gurus. The words should reveal that at that time nobody was actually on this platform. Srila Prabhupada says “you must actually come to this platform. This I want.”

 There are two kinds of instructing spiritual masters. One is the liberated person fully absorbed in meditation in devotional service, and the other is he who invokes the disciple's spiritual consciousness by means of relevant instructions.

 (CC Adi, 1.47 )

 Here Srila Prabhupada describes the two kinds of instructor gurus. The second describes a person who gives instructions based on the revealed scriptures. The first describes the siksa guru Srila Prabhupada wants us all to become. On this platform we will be fully qualified to preach the glories of the Lord.

So this society is attempting to create a society of devotees all over the world, without any discrimination of caste, creed, colour. One must be a devotee of Krsna. Yei krsna tattva vettha sei guru haya. One must know the science of Krsna. Then he can preach to others. Sei guru haya. That is our purpose.

(N.O.D. Lec. 26th October, 1972)

Srila Prabhupada says that his society is trying to create devotees who are qualified to know the science of Krsna. Then they can preach to others.

This is complete liberated stage. In the previous verse it has been spoken, bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam mukta-sangasya jayate. The science of God, bhagavat-tattva, the science of Absolute Truth, becomes manifest to the liberated soul. We find sometimes that one man is posing to have very much advanced in spiritual understanding or a great devotee, but mukta-sanga, he's not mukta-sanga,

(S.B. Lecture, Vrndavana, 1st November, 1972.)

Again confirmation of the qualifications of the siksa guru we all have to become. Therefore even when many devotee’s have reached such an advanced platform of devotional service, the position will remain.