"STICK TO THE SOCIETY"
MAD ELEPHANT BOOK CHANGE.
The following is an exchange of letters between an IRM member and myself in regards to the article:
Bharatarshabha Dasa IRM: Dear Prabhu, Pamho, AGSP.
Where does these quotes say leave the institution? (this is your addition or putting words into Srila Prabhupada’s words)
Direct meaning of this statement is that “one should leave the place of discussion or its vicinity” you have extrapolated and added your idea one has to leave ISKCON and start a new society. For instance all the Kings who left the place where Sisupala was blaspheming Krishna did not give up their thrones and establish a new kingdom rather they just left the sacrificial arena.
Mukunda dasa: You are the one speculating Prabhuji. The injunction is clear as is my usage of it. Iskcon is a place were blasphemy against Prabhupada takes place, this is clear. The whole movement is blasphemy personified. SO ONE MUST LEAVE, IF HE CAN'T TAKE PROPER ACTION AGAINST THIS BLASPHEMY!
There is no question of new society, again you speculate. By leaving the sisupala iskcon one stays connected to the real Iskcon. [Prabhupada's instructions]
You claim IRM do take proper action and that is why they don't leave. Fact is they don't! They are fully compromised with the Prabhupada killers. That is why I sent you the paper to prove this point. Click here to view it But you brushed it aside saying that I was shifting the posts:
Bharatarshabha Dasa IRM: "Why are you shifting goal post? You have lost your case on your bogus philosophy of “ leave ISKCON because of Bogus Gurus” and want to shift to other topics. This itself is a sign of accepting your defeat. All your objections to poison issue etc etc have already been answered please see our website."
Mukunda dasa: The article I sent you was in response to those articles you so faithfully believe in. [Articles penned by Mr. Kant I understand] He has yet to respond; perhaps you can be of assistance to him and his movement?
Bharatarshabha Dasa IRM: Secondly.
IRM is not silent on these issues it is fighting the Bogus GBC in various forums, administrative levels etc. Hence we are protected from being a part of the offence. Your statement only proves it:
If someone blasphemes a Vaishnava, one should stop him with arguments and higher reason. If one is not expert enough to do this he should give up his life on the spot, and if he cannot do this, he must go away
IRM has been circulating papers, fighting court cases, etc which are all meant to establish that Srila Prabhupada is the acarya for ISKCON which you unfortunately do not recognize. On the contrary you have falsely concluded that we are also jealous of Srila Prabhupada’s position:
Never try to associate with the SisupaIa Iskcon group, the Iskcon Reform [not neglect] the Prabhupada Killers movement, the PADA work with the Turley blasphemers group, or the Sisupala Gaudiya Matha sahajiya party that is the CLEAR WARNING! Prabhupada tells us to completely neglect all association with such jealous persons in the dress of Vaisnavas.
Mukunda dasa: Read my article, IRM are not protected. They are supporters. They are FULLY IMPLICATED!
Bharatarshabha Dasa IRM: Thirdly:
In your elaborate study you have missed reading the following statement of Srila Prabhupada:
Even if one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society, still one should stick to the Society; if one thinks the Society’s members are not pure devotees, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master. -Cc madhya19.157
Mukunda dasa: You “quote Prabhupada” and by doing so expose the IRMs full implication in blasphemy of Prabhupada. You need to immediately leave this blasphemous society you now support. I have the original Caitanya Caritamrta, in which Madhya 19.157 reads:
If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master.
[Original C.C. Madhya 19.157]
Mukunda dasa: NO STICK TO THE SOCIETY!!! The following sentence was added "still one should stick to the Society; if one thinks the Society’s members are not pure devotees" It is very interesting to note that they add the word even at the beginning of the paragraph. This gives strength to their cheating suggestions: "Even if you have sussed us out that we are not pure or that we are actually the envious non devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society STILL YOU HAVE TO STICK TO THE [OUR] SOCIETY... Prabhupada says so!!!"
This is how they brainwash you!!!! This is how your IRM are the slave dogs of the most dangerous elements in human society. While thinking they are reforming they freely drink and distribute the blasphemers poison so faithfully. This is how you get bewildered when you are over intelligent and think you are above the Vedic injunctions and associate with the blasphemers of a pure devotee.
So you quote Prabhupada's words touched by the lips of the envious pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society [Sisupala Iskcon], to support your love affair with this cult of rogues. THIS IS YOUR POSITION! THIS IS YOUR REFORM MOVEMENT!!!
Bharatarshabha Dasa IRM: Hope this settles the issue.
Mukunda dasa: Yes you have given your practical example of how important it is for everyone to completely neglect all association with Sisupala Iskcon and those who support it.
Bharatarshabha Dasa IRM: Thanks for sending me quotes earlier, I totally disagree with your idea that the IRM(reform group as you call us) is also bogus and that one has to leave ISKCON and start a new society just because our spiritual master Srila Prabhupada is being offended by this bogus GBCS. Rather if someone loves Srila Prabhupada he will stay and rectify the situation and not leave.
Mukunda dasa: So what are the IRM going to do to rectify the above example of poisonous offense to Prabhupada??? Are they going to stop printing and distributing the poisonous CC, and avoid poisoning their members with Guru aparadha??? Are they going to print the original CC and distribute it to the world??? Or are they going to compromise and tolerate these severe offenses as long as the Prabhupada killers give them a little share of Prabhupada's stolen assests??? A little temple in bangalore where they can make a show of loving Prabhupada??? Is that what you call rectifing???
You and your IRM [parasite's in the dirty ass crack of rogues and non devotee blasphemers of Prabhupada] have no power to rectify. You are so poisoned by hearing from the serpents you don't even know what Prabhupada's philosophy is!!! First you rectify yourself of this poisonous association then you can talk of rectifying. First climb out of the demons dirty ass crack, rub the stool from your eyes, then lets start talking brother!!!
y/s Bharatarshabha Dasa
P.S. Please read the whole purport [unchanged] from which you quote [C.C. Madhya 19.157]:
TRANSLATION: "The gardener must defend the creeper by fencing it all around so that the powerful elephant of offenses may not enter.
PURPORT: While the bhakti-lata creeper is growing, the devotee must protect it by fencing it all around. The neophyte devotee must be protected by being surrounded by pure devotees. In this way he will not give the maddened elephant a chance to uproot his bhakti-lata creeper. When one associates with nondevotees, [in the Krsna Consciousness Society] the maddened elephant is set loose. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has said: asat-sanga-tyaga,--ei vaisnava-acara. The first business of a Vaisnava is to give up the company of nondevotees. [especially in the Krsna Consciousness Society] A so-called mature devotee,[over intelligent IRM parasite] however, commits a great offense by giving up the company of pure devotees. The living entity is a social animal, and if one gives up the society of pure devotees, he must associate with nondevotees (asat-sanga). By contacting nondevotees [in the Krsna Consciousness Society] and engaging in nondevotional activities, a so-called mature [over intelligent IRM parasite] devotee will fall victim to the mad elephant offense. Whatever growth has taken place is quickly uprooted by such an offense. One should therefore be very careful to defend the creeper by fencing it in--that is, by following the regulative principles and associating with pure devotees.
[Even] If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society, [still one should stick to the Society; if one thinks the Society’s members are not pure devotees,] one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master. However, unless one follows the spiritual master's instructions and the regulative principles governing chanting and hearing the holy name of the Lord, one cannot become a pure devotee. By one's mental concoctions, one falls down. By associating with nondevotees, one breaks the regulative principles and is thereby lost. In the Upadesamrta of Srila Rupa Gosvami, it is said:
atyaharah prayasas ca
jana-sangas ca laulyam ca
sadbhir bhaktir vinasyati
"One's devotional service is spoiled when he becomes too entangled in the following six activities: (1) eating more than necessary or collecting more funds than required, (2) overendeavoring for mundane things that are very difficult to attain, (3) talking unnecessarily about mundane subject matters, (4) practicing the scriptural rules and regulations only for the sake of following them and not for the sake of spiritual advancement, or rejecting the rules and regulations of the scriptures and working independently or whimsically, (5) associating with worldly-minded persons who are not interested in Krsna consciousness, and (6) being greedy for mundane achievements."
Note: So we have consulted the spirtual master and he confirms clearly:
"There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas in this Krsna consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected." (C.C. Madhya Lila 1.218) If someone blasphemes a Vaisnava, one should stop him with arguments and higher reason. If one is not expert enough to do this he should give up his life on the spot, and if he cannot do this, he must go away(C.C. Adi 7.50) It is the Vedic injunction that whenever there is blasphemy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one must immediately leave. If he does not do so, he becomes bereft of his pious activities and is degraded to the lower condition of life.
(KRSNA BOOK CHAPTER SEVENTY-FOUR The Deliverance of Sisupala)
Note: And those parasites who hear from the envious non devotee book changers think that unless they stick to the Society of Prabhupada blasphemers they will fall down from their residence in the dirty Sisupala Iskcon ass crack!